Honour Without ArgumentJohn 4:23

The Mountain Or The City

This message is for the woman who puts the oldest live argument in her tradition to somebody she trusts, expecting a ruling, and gets an answer that goes past the question without ever settling it

They sat on the wall above the town for about forty minutes and Farrah did not get the answer she had come for, and it took her most of a year to be glad about it.

She had brought the question up on purpose. She had waited for the right moment and then engineered it, in the way you do when you have been carrying something.

Delphine is about seventy and has been in it a long time and everybody in that town takes their hard questions to her, and Farrah's hard question was the oldest live argument in her family, the one that has separated a set of relatives from another set of relatives since before she was born.

She put it to her properly. She set out both sides. She did it fairly, and she was honest that she had a lean, and she said at the end of it: "I just want somebody to tell me which one is right."

Delphine looked at the town for a bit.

And then she said, "Are you honoring God this week?"

Farrah said that was not the question.

Delphine said, "No, it is not."

And they sat there.

Farrah said afterwards that she was genuinely annoyed for about two days, and that she went home and told her husband that Delphine had dodged it, which is a fair description of what it looked like at the time.

What changed her mind was noticing, over the following months, that she had been waiting.

Not waiting for Delphine. Waiting generally. Waiting for a ruling, from somebody, about that argument, before she felt entitled to get on with anything. And she could date the waiting back about eleven years, to a specific Christmas, and she had never once described it to herself in those terms.

She said: "I thought I was being careful. I was being stationary."

You may be waiting too. For somebody with standing to settle it, so that you can begin. And the wait feels responsible and it feels like integrity, and from inside it is almost impossible to distinguish from being stuck. And nobody has ever shown you what happened when this exact kind of question was put to Jesus.

The Mountain Or The City

He Was Handed The Great Live Dispute And Went Past It

There is a conversation at a well where a woman puts the biggest and most divisive religious question of her time and place directly to Jesus.

It was not a distraction and it was not a trick, whatever people say about it. It was a genuine, long running, painful division about where God is properly worshipped, and it had separated her people from His people for centuries.

Our fathers worshipped in this mountain, she says, and you say that Jerusalem is the place.

Here is what He does with it.

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."John 4:23

He does not rule on the mountain. He does not adjudicate between the two locations in the terms she offered.

He moves the ground the whole question was standing on, and He does it in a way that leaves both sides holding something and neither side holding a verdict.

You have been waiting for a ruling in terms He did not use. John 4 has the great live dispute handed over and answered by relocating rather than by deciding, and the Holy Spirit is the one who takes that and sits it on a wall above a town at golden hour.

And notice the phrase that follows. The Father seeketh such to worship Him. The sentence turns immediately from where to who, and it puts God in the position of the one looking rather than the one arbitrating.

You are being sought rather than assessed while the question stands open. That is what the written word does when it is handed the biggest version of this, and it is the Spirit of God who makes that land in somebody who has been stationary for eleven years.

This Site Is Not Going To Rule Either

Now be plain, because a page about a question not being settled which quietly settles it would be worse than useless.

This site does not rule on the argument in your family, and it does not rule on the one this whole domain sits next to. It does not lean, it is not withholding a position as a technique, and it does not consider either group of your relatives to be the problem.

You keep your lean. Nothing here is trying to move it. If you came here for something to bring to the next family occasion, this is the wrong site, and that is not a criticism.

You can worship God today with every bit of that unresolved. It is written that the hour is come and now is, which is a present tense that does not wait on anybody's conclusion, and His Spirit is the one who has been with you through eleven years of waiting for somebody to say the word.

And say the guard. Nothing here asks you for anything. No figure, no proportion, no percentage, no practice, no side, and nothing routed to any person, cause, church or work anywhere at all, this one included. You are as fully His with the whole argument standing exactly where it stands, that is the written shape of it, and the Holy Spirit is the one keeping this page from being a verdict in a soft voice.

The breakthrough

Something can start moving here, after eleven years of standing still, and it costs you nothing at all.

You have not been careful, you have been stationary, and those are two different things. Scripture has the great dispute answered by a relocation rather than a ruling, and the Holy Spirit is the one making that read as a way forward rather than as an evasion at a well.

Two things this is not. It is not the opening of a scheme and there is no request behind it. And it is not a ruling on your family's argument, because this site has none and the absence is not a coded answer in either direction.

You can honor Him this week, in spirit and in truth, without one thing being decided. That is written, and His Spirit has been on that wall with you the whole time.

Declare this over yourself

Say these out loud, sitting on a wall or a step or a chair. The standing to speak to God like this is yours in Christ and does not wait on any argument closing, Scripture is the ground under it, and the Holy Spirit has been with you through the eleven years. What He does next in your circumstances is His to decide, and none of these lines is a lever.

  1. Ruling I have been waiting on before I begin, you were never going to come. The word of God has the biggest live dispute of the day handed straight to Jesus, and He answers by moving the ground instead of deciding between the two mountains. I am worshipping today with it standing exactly where it stands.
  2. Eleven years of calling it careful when it was stationary, get off this wall, because the hour is come and now is and the present tense is not waiting on anybody. In the name of Jesus I put you down on the stones, since what is written says the Father seeks such to worship Him, which turns the whole thing from where to who. His Spirit has been up here with me for every one of those years.
  3. Father, You were on this wall before I engineered the conversation and You were at that well before she asked. Your word says the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, and Your Spirit is the one who let an old woman ask me a better question than the one I brought. In spirit and in truth, and I am glad to say so out loud.

Why we ask you to say these out loud

The word this stands on

John 4:23

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